Michigan Votes Forum

Introduced in the House on February 1, 2005

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CHEAP/COVERED/FREE? We are running out of resources! Act now.

take care of birth control? Why do you want the state to have control over your every bodily function? You need a nanny. The rest of us are doomed. We need to get back to where only property owners are allowed to vote. If you are not on the ball enough to provide for your own roof over your head we don't need you voting.

take care of birth control? Why do you want the state to have control over your every bodily function? You need a nanny. The rest of us are doomed. We need to get back to where only property owners are allowed to vote. If you are not on the ball enough to provide for your own roof over your head we don't need you voting.

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children were WANTED. There's nothing worse. People need so many things to turn out as productive citizens. A child ought to stand a chance. Reduce abortions. Provide birth control. You can't have it both ways. I think some people just like looking down their noses at other people. If birth control were provided, who would they look down upon? HMMM? Think about it. Women's rights are on the rise. We've studied history. Cats out of the bag. There used to be many matriarchal societies in the past. Perhaps birth control was readily available then, too. Good job, Hillary Clinton.

There is cheap, free and covered birth control. It is called Planned Parenthood!! Pregnancy resource center ect!!!! Get a job that offers insurance and most insurances cover birth control and the consumer pays is their copay. OR use a condom ect babies can be prevented. If you don't want a baby then protect yourself or DONT HAVE SEX!!

If you don't want children then don't have unprotected sex. Or don't have sex at all!! This bill is very important to some of us who do want children and lead productive lives.

Good doctors. GREAT doctors. Planned Parenthood-- great, but women need access to the best of the best and not to have to put up with anti-abortion people outside of Planned Parenthood. There is a stigma in going there. I'd rather pay $5.00 copay and go to the pharmacist. At least one that didn't give me a bunch of LIP.

so don't get all excited. Geez.

I think the stress of trying to have children and that medicine is making you mean. Chill OUT! No one is putting down your bill. NO ONE. READ the comments. YOU sound bitter because there are people who can have kids no problem. Relax.

Take a vacation.

Go to church and pray on it. No one said a darn thing against your bill on infertility and you getting your insurance money. Touchy, touchy. A lot of our social ills could be avoided if all ... [by Anonymous Citizen about 2005 House Bill 4099 (Mandate infertility insurance coverage )] children were WANTED. There's nothing worse. People need so many things to turn out as productive citizens. A child ought to stand a chance. Reduce abortions. Provide birth control. You can't have it both ways. I think some people just like looking down their noses at other people. If birth control were provided, who would they look down upon? HMMM? Think about it. Women's rights are on the rise. We've studied history. Cats out of the bag. There used to be many matriarchal societies in the past. Perhaps birth control was readily available then, too. Good job, Hillary Clinton. Reply New Comment Ok, good bill, but what about birth CONTROL. [by Anonymous Citizen on May 24, 2006] Why Don't You [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2006] How about only people that know what infertility means vote [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2006] Why Don't You [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2006] A lot of our social ills could be avoided if all ... [by Anonymous Citizen on May 25, 2006] Wanted Children [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006] So people who have unprotected sex aren't productive citizens. [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006] You sound very high and mighty. [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006] Birth Control [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006] It's health. Should easily be taken care of through doctor. [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006] No one said you shouldn't have your fertility coverage [by Anonymous Citizen on June 7, 2006]

And it's not even Saturday night. LUCKY US.

Still hope having the children goes well for you. No one is making light of your situation by bringing up birth control.

Weren't they?

Why then bring up birth control. This bill is to have insurance companies cover infertility. This is for people who want to have children. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but your opinion seems biased and unstructured. I have used planned parenthood for years and have nothing but good care from them. Unless you have something to back up your claims, please don't attack the rest of us for wanting this bill passed.

We need a nanny for wanting to have children? I don't think so. Not everyone can just have sex and boom you are with child. Some of us need extra care from a fertility specialist. Unfortunately right now the insurance companies do not cover such treatments. This bill will make it mandatory that if your insurance covers pregnancy benifits then it will aslo include infertility issues also. Obviously you have not had these issues in your life so you do not know how costly this is.

If you're going to cover infertility which is a HUGE ticket item that affects a RELATIVELY small amount of the population, AND if insurance companies cover VIAGRA, then it seems only FAIR that they should cover BIRTH CONTROL, too, lady.

No need to talk down.

Sorry you can't keep up. I'll use smaller words.

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Duh! We get it. We are not stupid. You are simply not the center of the universe, while we do feel for your condition and hope the best for you in this bill passing. Truly.

You don't own the internet or this thread, but good luck to you. HOUSE BILL No. 4099 February 1, 2005, Introduced by Reps. Accavitti, Byrnes, Bieda, Condino and Vagnozzi and referred to the Committee on Insurance. A bill to amend 1956 PA 218, entitled "The insurance code of 1956," (MCL 500.100 to 500.8302) by adding section 3406s. THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF MICHIGAN ENACT: Sec. 3406s. (1) An expense-incurred hospital, medical, or surgical policy or certificate delivered, issued for delivery, or renewed in this state that provides pregnancy coverage and a health maintenance organization group or individual contract that provides pregnancy coverage shall include coverage for infertility treatment. (2) Coverage under subsection (1) shall not be subject to any dollar limit, copayment, deductible, or coinsurance provision that does not apply to pregnancy coverage generally. Enacting section 1. This amendatory act takes effect January 1, 2006.

You get to support or introduce a bill, we get to comment. Freedom is for everyone.

Personally, I'd rather deal with my doctor. Check it out, maam. (This article first appeared in the January 20, 1992 edition of Citizen magazine) How Planned Parenthood Duped America At a March 1925 international birth control gathering in New York City, a speaker warned of the menace posed by the "black" and "yellow" peril. The man was not a Nazi or Klansman; he was Dr. S. Adolphus Knopf, a member of Margaret Sanger's American Birth Control League (ABCL), which along with other groups eventually became known as Planned Parenthood. Sanger's other colleagues included avowed and sophisticated racists. One, Lothrop Stoddard, was a Harvard graduate and the author of The Rising Tide of Color against White Supremacy. Stoddard was something of a Nazi enthusiast who described the eugenic practices of the Third Reich as "scientific" and "humanitarian." And Dr. Harry Laughlin, another Sanger associate and board member for her group, spoke of purifying America's human "breeding stock" and purging America's "bad strains." These "strains" included the "shiftless, ignorant, and worthless class of antisocial whites of the South." Not to be outdone by her followers, Margaret Sanger spoke of sterilizing those she designated as "unfit," a plan she said would be the "salvation of American civilization.: And she also spike of those who were "irresponsible and reckless," among whom she included those " whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers." She further contended that "there is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped." That many Americans of African origin constituted a segment of Sanger considered "unfit" cannot be easily refuted. While Planned Parenthood's current apologists try to place some distance between the eugenics and birth control movements, history definitively says otherwise. The eugenic theme figured prominently in the Birth Control Review, which Sanger founded in 1917. She published such articles as "Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928), and many others. These eugenic and racial origins are hardly what most people associate with the modern Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA), which gave its Margaret Sanger award to the late Dr. Martin Luther King in 1966, and whose current president, Faye Wattleton, is black, a former nurse, and attractive. Though once a social pariah group, routinely castigated by religious and government leaders, the PPFA is now an established, high-profile, well-funded organization with ample organizational and ideological support in high places of American society and government. Its statistics are accepted by major media and public health officials as "gospel"; its full-page ads appear in major newspapers; its spokespeople are called upon to give authoritative analyses of what America's family policies should be and to prescribe official answers that congressmen, state legislator and Supreme Court justiices all accept as "social orthodoxy." Blaming Families Sanger's obsession with eugenics can be traced back to her own family. One of 11 children, she wrote in the autobiographical book, My Fight for Birth Control, that "I associated poverty, toil, unemployment, drunkenness, cruelty, quarreling, fighting, debts, jails with large families." Just as important was the impression in her childhood of an inferior family status, exacerbated by the iconoclastic, "free-thinking" views of her father, whose "anti-Catholic attitudes did not make for his popularity" in a predominantly Irish community. The fact that the wealthy families in her hometown of Corning, N.Y., had relatively few children, Sanger took as prima facie evidence of the impoverishing effect of larger families. The personal impact of this belief was heightened 1899, at the age of 48. Sanger was convinced that the "ordeals of motherhood" had caused the death of her mother. The lingering consumption (tuberculosis) that took her mother's life visited Sanger at the birth of her own first child on Nov. 18, 1905. The diagnosis forced her to seek refuge in the Adirondacks to strengthen her for the impending birth. Despite the precautions, the birth of baby Grant was "agonizing," the mere memory of which Sanger described as "mental torture" more than 25 years later. She once described the experience as a factor "to be reckoned with" in her zealous campaign for birth control. From the beginning, Sanger advocacy of sex education reflected her interest in population control and birth prevention among the "unfit." Her first handbook, published for adolescents in 1915 and entitled, What Every Boy and Girl Should Know, featured a jarring afterword: It is a vicious cycle; ignorance breeds poverty and poverty breeds ignorance. There is only one cure for both, and that is to stoop breeding these things. Stop bringing to birth children whose inheritance cannot be one of health or intelligence. Stop bringing into the world children whose parents cannot provide for them. To Sanger, the ebbing away of moral and religious codes over sexual conduct was a natural consequence of the worthlessness of such codes in the individual's search for self-fulfillment. "Instead of laying down hard and fast rules of sexual conduct," Sanger wrote in her 1922 book Pivot of Civilization, "sex can be rendered effective and valuable only as it meets and satisfies the interests and demands of the pupil himself." Her attitude is appropriately described as libertinism, but sex knowledge was not the same as individual liberty, as her writings on procreation emphasized. The second edition of Sanger's life story, An Autobiography, appeared in 1938. There Sanger described her first cross-country lecture tour in 1916. Her standard speech asserted seven conditions of life that "mandated" the use of birth control: the third was "when parents, though normal, had subnormal children"; the fourth, "when husband and wife were adolescent"; the fifth, "when the earning capacity of the father was inadequate." No right existed to exercise sex knowledge to advance procreation. Sanger described the fact that "anyone, no matter how ignorant, how diseased mentally or physically, how lacking in all knowledge of children, seemed to consider he or she had the right to become a parent." Religious Bigotry In the 1910's and 1920's, the entire social order–religion, law, politics, medicine, and the media–was arrayed against the idea and practice of birth control. This opposition began in 1873 when an overwhelmingly Protestant Congress passed, and a Protestant president signed into law, a bill that became known as the Comstock Law, named after its main proponent, Anthony Comstock. The U.S. Congress classified obscene writing, along with drugs, and devices and articles that prevented conception or caused abortion, under the same net of criminality and forbade their importation or mailing. Sanger set out to have such legislation abolished or amended. Her initial efforts were directed at the Congress with the opening of a Washington, D.C., office of her American Birth Control League in 1926. Sanger wanted to amend section 211 of the U.S. criminal code to allow the interstate shipment and mailing of contraceptives among physicians, druggists and drug manufacturers. Continue to page 2

wanting to have infertility treatment. I don't know how to make that any more clear to you. You sound kind of preachy about birth control. Planned Parenthood has a bad history. Read on: Nazism and Planned Parenthood (Reprinted from the Francisan Friars of the Immaculate brochure) Adolf Hitler - Dictator of Nazi Germany "The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring. . . represents the most humane act of mankind." Mein Kampf, vol. 1, ch. 10 Margaret Sanger - Founder of Planned Parenthood ". . .we prefer the policy of immediate sterilizarion, of making sure that parenthood is ' absolutely prohibed ' to the feeble-minded." The Pivot of Civilization, p102 Most people today think that Planned Parenthood and Nazi Germany have little in common. Their histories show otherwise. Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, subscribe to a Hitlerian philosophy of Eugenics - the science of improving "racial health" by socially engineering human reproduction. Both Hitler and the founders of Planned Parenthood advocate birth control, sterilization, and segregation in concentration camps for the "unfit." The Birth Control Review OFFICIAL ORGAN OF THE AMERICAN BIRTH CONTROL LEAGUE MARGARET SANGER, Editor DECEMBER, 1921 "Birth Control: to create a race of thoroughbreds" Slogan of Margaret Sanger - Founder of Planned Parenthood The banner-head above summarizes the philosophy of Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood. Like Adolf Hitler, Margaret Sanger considered herself to be part of a genetically superior elite who had to protect themselves against "hereditary taints." She set out to start a "New Race" - "A Race of Thoroughbreds." This elitist attitude is clearly at odds with the leftist, social worker image that is commonly attributed to her by the mass media. In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which was renamed "Planned Parenthood" in 1942. In 1952 she helped found the International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF), serving as its first president until 1959. Even today, Planned Parenthood proudly proclaims Margaret Sanger as its "visionary" founder. Mararet Sanger's 1922 manifesto, The Pivot of Civilization, states the following: "Birth Control which has been criticized as negative and destructive, is really the greatest and most truly eugenic method, and its adoption as part of the program of Eugenics would immediately give a concrete and realistic power to that science. . . as the most constructive and necessary of the means to racial health." Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization. Brentano's Press, NY, 1922, p 189. Emphasis ours in quotes throughout. 1933: NAZI PARTY AND FOUNDERS OF PLANNED PARENTHOOD JOIN HANDS The founders of Planned Parenthood had more ties to Hitler than just a shared vision. Their board of directors included avowed Nazi supporters like Dr. Lothrop Stoddard (who authored The Rising Tide of Color Against White Supremacy and another praising the Nazi sterilization law). They used their official publication to spread Nazi propaganda. In April of 1933, Birth Control Review published an article by Dr. Ernst Rubin, who was Hitler's director of genetic sterilization and a founder of the Nazi Society for Racial Hygiene. In this article Dr. Rubin wrote: "The danger to the community of the unsegregated feeble-minded woman is more evident. Most dangerous are the middle and high grades living at large who, despite the fact that their defect is not easily recognizable, should nevertheless be prevented from procreation. . . In my view we should act without delay." Prof. Dr. Ernst Rudin, head of Nazi Germany's eugenics program. "Eugenics Sterlization: An Urgent Need." - Birth Control Review, Volume XVII, Number 4 (April 1933), pp. 102-4. Both Sanger and the Nazi Rudin believe it was imperative that the "middle and high grades" also be "prevented from procreation." Compare Dr. Rudin's quote to this one from Sanger: ". . .there is sufficient evidence to lead us to believe that the so-called 'borderline cases' are a greater menace than the out-and-out "defective delinquents" who can be supervised, controlled and prevented from procreating their kind." Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization. Brentano's Press, NY, 1922, p. 91 The founders of Planned Parenthood printed Dr. Rudin's article in the same year that he worked with SS chief Heinrich Himmler to draw up German's 1933 sterilization law which called for the sterlization of all Jews and "colored" German children. The Nazi sterlization law bears a shocking resemblance to Margaret Sanger's own "Plan for Peace." printed in the April 1932 issue of "Birth Control Review." CONCENTRATION CAMPS: SANGER'S "PLAN FOR PEACE" Sanger's plan called for the formation of American concentration camps to "corral" that "enormous part of our population" with "hereditary taints": "To apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted. . . to apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives. . ." Mararet Sanger. "Plan for Peace." Birth Control Review Volumn XVI, Number 4 (April 1932), pp. 107-8. What percentage of the population would Margaret Sanger wish to segregate? After citing army statistics she noted: ". . .nearly half - 47.3 per cent - of the population had the mentality of twelve-year-old children or less - in other words that they are morons." Mararet Sanger. The Pivot of Civilazation. Brentano's Press, NY, 1922, p. 263 She went on to say that "only 13,500.00 [or 13.5% of the 100 million U.S. population of the time] will ever show superior intelligence" ibid. p. 264. These must be her "thoroghbreds." the ones who are not "tainted." Remember that she considered "borderline cases" the most dangerous. Thus, for Sanger, 86.5% of the population would be "morons" or "borderline cases" and prevented from procreation! Not even Hitler went this far. For the 47.3% who "are morons" she suggested: "The emergency problem of segregation and sterlization must be faced immediately. Every feeble-monded girl or woman of the hereditary type, especially of the moron class, should be segregated during the reproductive period. . . we prefer the policy of immediate sterilzation, of making sure that parenthood is absolutely prohibited to the feeble-minded." So much for "reproductive rights!" Of course she could not keep people segregated without the use of barbed wire and guard towers. In other words, Sanger was talking about concentration camps. We know what happened in Hitler's camps. If Mararet Sanger had been able to build her concentration camps, would the same thing have happened? This would depend on how charitable she was. Read on. . . SANGER'S VIEW OF AMERICA "Borderline cases" - "a greater menace" = 39.2% "Morons" - Sterilize and Segregate = 47.3% "Thoroughbreds" - Allowed to Reproduce = 13.5% The Fruit of Their Common Philosophy: Hitler's - Planned Parenthood's HOLOCAUST Motive: Inconvenient Rationalization: Sub-human HATRED OF CHARITY Chapter 5 of Sanger's book is titled "The Cruelty of Charity." In it she wrote: "Organized charity itself is. . . the surest sign that our civilization has bred, is breeding and is perpetuating constantly increasing numbers of defectives, delinquents and dependents" Margaret Sanger. - The Pivot of Civilization. Brentano's Press, NY, 1922. p. 108 Sanger's words are almost identical to Hitler's: "This is in keeping with the humanitarianism which, to avoid hurting one individual, lets a hundred others perish. The demand that defective people be prevented from propagating equally defective offspring is a demand of the clearest reason and if systematically executed represents the most humane act of mankind." Adolf Hitler. - Mein Kampf vol. 1, ch. 10 1925 Given the striking similarity in their monstrous rhetoric, it is reasonable to assume that Sanger would have grown weary of feeding these "delinquents." In this same chapter Sanger went on to mention "a special type of philanthropy or benevolence, . . . which strikes me as being more insidiously injurious than any other. . . to supply gratis medical and nursing facilities to slum mothers." The Pivot of Civilization. p. 114 Sanger considered help to poor mothers the very worst kind of charity. What was the root of her hatred of the poor? Read on: ". . . we are paying for and even submitting to the dictates of an ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all, . . ." ibid., p. 187 In a democracy the majority rules and Sanger was afraid of the under-class outnumbering the elite. She was paranoid about "submitting to the dictates" of those "who never should have been born at all." This hatred for the poor, especially the most destitute, clearly placed her on the extreme fascist right. PLANNED PARENTHOOD TODAY: In Mararet Sanger's time, the Birth Control movement made no attempts to hide the eugenical philosophy that drove it. Only after World War II, when the public's eyes were opened to the horrors of the Nazi death camps, did it seek to distance itself from the term "eugenics." Today's Culture of Death would seem to be more "egalitarian" than in Mararet Sanger's day: the targeted peoples seem to be indiscriminate, without reference to race or class. Or are they? In light of Planned Parenthood's philosophical history, the meaning of its current politics becomes more clear. While Sanger and her eugenical colleagues opposed giving maternal care to poor women, the one service Planned Parenthood does not offer is maternal care. The only choice offered by Planned Parenthood is the choice to kill - not to plan for parenthood. Is it any coincidence that the founders of Planned Parenthood were racists and Nazi propagandists. . . and that so many of its clinics today are in minority neighborhoods. According to their own statistics, 42.7% of the abortions performed by Planned Parenthood are on minorities - that's three times more than on whites, as a percentage of their respective populations. Is it any coinidence that Planned Parenthood publicly supports China's brutal one-child policy which coerces or forces millions of women into having abortions. So much for "reproductive freedom"! Like Adolf Hitler, Planned Parenthood has subjected us to a scape-goat philosophy which blames societal problems on its poorest members, which sanctioning the avarice of the richest. In its early days, Planned Parenthood inflamed the rich and educated elite against poor people with its philosophy of "racial health." Today, the same organization continues to inflame the wealthy nations with a philosophy of "population control." The effect of these two arguments is the same: poor woman are coerced into abortion, birth control, and sterilization. The eugenical philosophy pioneered by the likes of Mararet Sanger and Adolf Hitler is not just a bygone memory. In many poor nations today (such as Peru, Mexico. . .), oppressive governments have imposed sterlization on millions of poor women. The United Nations talks a great deal about population control, and many population control agencies will give humanitarian aid only to those poor women who accept sterlization. In this the first time you have heard of this side of Planned Parenthood? What else is the mass media not telling us about the abortion industry? Let us look forward to the day when Planned Parenthood clinics are made into holocaust museums. We all must do our part to pray and protest for this end. If you wish to write to your congressman to stop your tax dollars from going to Planned Parenthood. . .

While I appreciate what they do TODAY in regard to convenient birth control, their HISTORY is questionable, so personally, I've never gone there, don't plan to. Research for yourself because some articles are totally against Planned Parenthood. I'm not for others, but I think birth control should be covered under ALL insurance plans so it is no longer an issue.

that thought that taking all the citizen's guns away was a good idea, and look what it got them.

I am right with you on the factor that birth control should be covered by insurance. It is more costly to cover a baby than it is birth control. I do not disagree with that.

you are correct birth control is costly;however, you are missing the point of the bill. This bill does not address that issue nor should it. Let your congressman now that you would like to see this issue addressed instead of treading on a bill that will do a lot of people good.

They are related topics. HEALTH CARE. Who knows who might see this thread, legislators, media? You don't get to dictate who goes on this thread. Log on as many times as you like to say positive things about this bill. You have my COMPLETE support for this bill. You are rather bossy. What harm have you been done?

The more you fuss, the more I'll talk about birth control. You don't have many negative comments for your bill on here, so get over it already.