Michigan Votes Forum

how do you feel?

they don't know how to stand on their own two feet. they can't function without help from the government.

brainstorm, problem solve, LEAD

lack of belonging, uncomfortable, pushed down my throat, sorry.

Quit wasting minutes praying on taxpayer time. Communicate with EACH OTHER, talk to your constituents.

just "belong"?

MY freedom of religion for YOUR comfort? i don't THINK so...

waste minutes on gun registration, taking felon's pictures off of the "this guy is a sexual predator" site, or giving themselves pay raises whether they deserve them or not??? they need some help from SOMEBODY, it might as well be God. they don't seem to listen to the people that elected them.

why don't you 'belong'? what about religion turned you off?

if a person has no use, or no intent to exercise a particular right, he is very willing, sometimes EAGER to give away that right, believing that if HE doesn't need it, no one should. our rights have been whittled away (usually by the left) for years. it's time we "got back to basics" and upheld ALL our rights. not just those that make us the most COMFORTABLE.

of elected officials can't wait to "lead" the troops back home, their heads hanging in shame, their tails stuck firmly between their legs. chalk up another "loss" for the democrats. the price for peace is VICTORY.

THAT hard of a question.

answer to the question of "under God" in the pledge. if you don't believe in the pledge... leave.

You and all people like you and me are what's keeping the republic alive. I thank you for your service to Humanity in general by not spouting off about crap you know nothing about, but instead looking at the facts, and forming intelligent opinions. Thank you

I think we both know that will never happen. It's like asking the KKK and the NAACP to go play chekers together like good children. Believe you me man, I WISH with all my heart and soul it were possible.

Very true unfortunately. But, I DO feel that this is a fairly bad SYMPTOM of an even worse DISEASE. Children today feel no sense of community with their countrymen. This is the real problem. I think what this bill is aiming at is to give kids the feeling that all over this nation, millions of other children are doing the same pledge, saluting the same flag, and that we can maybe look back in our history and see that when situations like many we deal with today, ALL Americans came together as one. Even if it meant it went against some piffling political belief. They fought the fight, secured the homefront for themselves and posterity, and then worried about the politics. These days, we can't stop fighting each other for one second. If there were nukes on Soviet barges headed for Cuba, we wouldn't even agree that swift, direct action had to be taken. Not that I'm saying that the pledge can be that drastic a catalyst, but it's certainly a step in that direction. Can you see where I'm going with that?

This is what I have been saying for years. It's just good to see there's someone left who's interested in standing up for the America people have died for, not the commie leftist state the U.N. and people like that want.

Point being?

You want to read the Redneck Manifesto by Jim Goad. Just see some of the facts the schools don't ever tell.

You can also be a patriot without saying god in the pledge.

One can be a patroit without saying god in the pledge. Didn't they ADD god to it later?

love and defend your country. doing what is best for the country is sometimes difficult to do when you are busy doing what is best for yourself.

I understand your point. But, there are some people who think that the Pledge is saying that you have to be Christian to be patriotic. There are lots of other religions in this country and in this state. Why should we make children do something that is against what they believe in? I say that the Pledge should not be required in schools.

The pledge was written in 1892. The government added " under God" in 1954. It was 62 years between those, in which people were perfectly happy with it. It has been almost 52 1/2 years since, and there have been fights ever since. Do you get my point?

that thousands of people of faith petitioned the congress to add those two words, and without those petitions of a majority of voters in this country, they wouldn't have been added. do you get THAT point???

to say it or under God

Since religion is the MAIN cause of conflict throughout history, just don't go there

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say 'under Jesus'. it says "under God". look up what it says on the top of the washington monument.

When you are born you don't know love for your mother, but as you age you (in most cases) you began to love for all she does. She protects to feeds you and conforts. This Pledge of Alligance is similar, our founding fathers get all to establish a free nation, many gave the lives for this nation, was clearly founded on GOD. I ask god to bless this nation for soon we will all bow for forgivness.

ok so you obviously dont have the strongest belief in God but look around the things that you have didnt come from you so get off your high horse and give God some credit , he deserves it.

 Requiring public schools to recite the pledge of allegiance is an obvious infringement on our rights to practice or to not practice any religion we choose. Why subject our children to this infringement?  That is also obvious, to try to encourage them to believe in a god and also to make them feel "patriotic" about their country.  I teach my children to belong the world or to the universe not to a nation and although we live in this region, we belong to everyone in this world.  I am not raising a soldier.  You should ask yourselves if you are willing to raise one as well.  That is what they want you to do.  My children do not stand for the pledge at school and they are ostresized for it.  They are not supposed to be encouraged to do the pledge but they are.  Teachers demand they stand for the pledge even after having conversations with them to the contrary.  We can teach our children in the home and at churches, if you so choose,  religious beliefs, they do not need to be reinforced at school in a obvious secular fashion.  That is why we have separation of church and state.  My daughter came home from school last week upset that a child in her class twisted her arm after my daughter touched a toy all the other (well indoctornated) children were touching, while this child said to mine, " you cannot touch it, you do not believe in god."  Parents  should ask themselves if these are the kind of people they want their childen to become, someone that has no tolerance for differences, and who uses violence to try to control others who are different from them.  But maybe they do, isnt that why wars are faught?  Regardless of all the predjidice my  family and I have suffered from their socialization of these vicious ideals we are still a part of the public school system and will continue to be.  Change could not happen otherwise.  Think about these things before you send your children to school. 

 I thank you for your service to our country.  As a USA citizen, I highly question your mandatory pledge to the flag.  As a country founded on freedom shouldnt I have that freedom?  Shouldnt I be free from having to recite words in a public school?  You state that people like me should go back to the "commie country" I came from.  But in fact arnt you acting just like the commie you hate?  Indoctrination is just that no matter if its communist, Fascist, federalist, or whatever.  Forcing people to recite words is nothing but communism at its best.  Living is a free society one should not have to be indoctrinated or brainwashed no matter how good you think the idea is.  Burn any good books lately?