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Introduced in the Senate on September 24, 2003, to revise the state grandparent visitation law, which applies to child custody disputes, to comply with a ruling from the state Supreme Court in the case of DeRose v DeRose. The court ruled that the previous law excessively limited the authority of parents. The bill would place the burden of proof on a grandparent to show with "clear and convincing" evidence that grandparenting time is in the child's best interest. Before issuing a grandparenting time order a court would have to consider factors such as the love, affection, and other emotional ties existing between the grandparent and the child; the grandparent’s moral fitness; the grandparent’s mental and physical health; the child’s reasonable preference; the effect on the child of hostility between parent and grandparent; and more

The vote was 38 in favor, 0 opposed and 0 not voting

(Senate Roll Call 35 at Senate Journal 13)

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Most all Grandparents do Not want to hear about the Derosa or Troxell cases,Personal revenge battle to change "grandparent rights,Now it's Made it WORSE. 710.60 -ADD (2 a) ON ONLY. A CHILD PLACED OR ADOPTED BY MATERNAL OR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS,SAID CHILD BECOMES AN HEIR AT LAW TO ADOPTIVE GRANDPARENTS,EITHER GRANDPARENT 1stDEGREE MAY PETITION FOR VISITATION OR MEDIATION SERVICES, WITH OR WITHOUT HEIR NAME CHANGE FOR SAID CHILD. 710.51 (5)RIGHTS OF THAT PARENT ETC.ETC. add ((a))BIRTHPARENTS MAY PLACE SAID CHILD FOR CUSTODY OR ADOPTION WITH MATERNAL OR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS, THIS DOESNOT PROHIBIT A PETITION FOR EITHER SIDE FOR VISITATION AGREEMENT TO GRANDCHILD WITH OR WITHOUT HEIR NAME CHANGE IN 1ST DEGREE. 710.56 ORDER OF ADOPTION ETC. 1,2,3,4,5 INPUT TO ONLY A ADD ON --ADD (6)-- AN ORDER OF PLACEMENT OR ADOPTION BY THE EITHER MATERNAL OR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS, EITHER SIDE MAY PETITION FOR VISITATION OR MEDIATION AGREEMENT RELATED IN 1ST DEGREE .without discrimination,of maternal or paternal adoption,or heir name change. No need to change the whole code laws, just ADD ON Common Sense,fact that Most grandparents care for grandchildren. other side should have equal rights to continue needed loving bond with both sides. This ADD ON does Not output parents rights, and it does NOT discriminate just cause a child is placed in Maternal or Paternal side. 727 made it to confusing, revenge out of date with the reality, relative,grandparent adoption future. Should of left well enough alone,Now only way to fix the same problem still there. Is to ADD on. TryAgain to many cooks in kitchen,spoil the pot.

well,yea senate,so busy trying to keep comply with the supreme court, parents rights,senators foret what whole idea of a new granparent rights bill. courts ruled that a previous law limited parents authority, well the 14th amend. took care of those problems and that already was a given. yea,seems odd,if you gonna rewrite whole new revised bill. senators experience knew better than to even mention parents rights. all the other tryed sb like 734would of worked. why they take it out. new statue left out the best part common sense adoption of child by a step or grandparent doesNot terminate grandparents visits to continued bond. cause a step or blood grandparent 1degree isNot a new intact family unit,it would be in child best interest,those factors included. yea there is no common sense reason why they left out the added good provision of adoption by grandparent does not terminate petition. that would of scored out alot of social problems,instead kick grandparents out the door, child suffers. yea it work't with 767 they need to go back to table,slip back in normal words of steparent or grandparent. yea your right blood granparent are not new family unit. cause the defined,a relative is grandparents,steparent. onesided directgrandparentadoption,not newFamily.

well,yea senate,so busy trying to keep comply with the supreme court, parents rights,senators foret what whole idea of a new granparent rights bill. courts ruled that a previous law limited parents authority, well the 14th amend. took care of those problems and that already was a given. yea,seems odd,if you gonna rewrite whole new revised bill. senators experience knew better than to even mention parents rights. all the other tryed sb like 734would of worked. why they take it out. new statue left out the best part common sense adoption of child by a step or grandparent doesNot terminate grandparents visits to continued bond. cause a step or blood grandparent 1degree isNot a new intact family unit,it would be in child best interest,those factors included. yea there is no common sense reason why they left out the added good provision of adoption by grandparent does not terminate petition. that would of scored out alot of social problems,instead kick grandparents out the door, child suffers. yea it work't with 767 they need to go back to table,slip back in normal words of steparent or grandparent. yea your right blood granparent are not new family unit. cause the defined,a relative is grandparents,steparent. onesided directgrandparentadoption,not newFamily.

Was The New GrandParent Bill Revised To Benefit GrandParents or Was It Rewritten To Help Parents and Supreme Courts.Supreme Courts Ask Legislature To Include One Provision, Give Parents Rights more So Legislature Added Three OverBoard Provisions. The Fundamental Amendment Rights Has Been There, Parent Denial Affidavit,Prove A Risk Of Harm ,Qualified Circumstances,Best Interest Of Child. Even If You Get Your Foot In The Door,It May Get Broken Just Trying. To Keep That Continued Bond Proven Prima Facto Grandparents Should Not Have To Beg For Visitation. Perfection Requirements To Be Grandparent. With All The Additions Requirements To 727, Common Sense Legislature Would Of Left In The Adoption By Stepparent Or Grandparents Does Not Prohibit a Grandparents Right. Adoptive Grand Children Are Blood Related,Are Not New Family. GrandChildren Collect Inheritance Adopted By Or Not,Then A GrandParents Deserves Continued Bond, If A GrandChild Is Adopted By Other Grandparent. Logical Sense To Install Provisions To Adoptee Rights of GrandChild To Both Side Of GrandParents, Well Only At Least In First Degree ,Parents Rights Will Not DisApprove That,Their Would Of Been No Risk Of Harm To NoOne.If Its First Degree Only. Yes,Should Go Back,Include Words=Or GrandParents. Question Still Remains Why Did They Take It Out ,Maybe Cause It Had Fifth Degree Relatives, Gee Ya Think They Would Of Known Better . Soon they Will Put Grandparents On Sheet Of Ice, To Wait For The Polar Bears.

Newspapers reported the News,Governor passed a New Grandparent Law,New Where? and have defined words fit Parent,new family unit,and all same required provisions. Newspapwrs should get it right,indications of STUPID IS,AS STUPID DOES .levels of downfail of Best interest factors. legislature did what Supreme Court said,"best interest factor should Not be only issue to decide Justice has been denied to Grandparents.Senate added NOT NEEDED CONFLICT REGULATIONS,THEN TO TAKE OUT A PERFECT PROVISION PROPOSAL,CHILDS RIGHTS IN OF"ADOPTION BY STEPPARENT OR GRANDPARENTS DOES NOT LIMIT CONTINUED VISITATION BOND" this one small step was pushed aside, WHY,What they didNot have anymore room left,after all the negative additives Grandparents in 1st degree to have loving bond if the other grandparents adopt Grandchild,should have same rights as Stepparents, neither would be a New family unit.Best interest of child does rule words "OR GRANDPARENTS" WOULD BE A CHILDS RIGHTS. Adoptive grandparents,child sees it as grandparent words added "OR grandparents do matter to a child. Senate,House would have to vote without Supreme courts control. Most members of the AARP,veterans,Family Org.,Childs Rights Org. were disappointed 727 passed.For no reason they deleted important part "OR grandparent. Must demand that provision be put back into laws. To protect childs right to continued bond with both Grandparents. 11 other states have followed best interest rule of the heart,focus social reality of the future. Supreme Courts should not rule,in legislature jobs to dutys of voters rights. Put back in ,Return the Words"OR GRANDPARENTS".

Congress forced not needed commits into laws plays Kick the can with Grandparents revised rights. Michigan Voters have rights to help introduce Laws. The supreme courts are there to help enforce legal errors, Not to influence Legislature votes in a worthless manner. Well,the bs is flying high there, Sanborn said,Supreme Courts told us Legislatures to go back include a fallback provision,for parents. First of all Sanborn your job is help Not hurt,the supreme Court reference also stated, if there was a continued bond before during after,grandparents and grandchild best interest should prevail. Where is that helpful positive provision ? HEY NEXT TIME SANBORN OR OTHERS VOTE ON A NEW LAW,THEY BETTER CALL THEY MOMMYS,SUPREME COURTS"to see what they should do and how they should vote. Congress forced introduced laws,not needed based on supreme courts influence. Has Not helped the children rights of Michigan. To Not use the logic provision of adoption by or grandparents does not prohibit rights.I agree,if Legislature is going to New Revise,then To reverse the positive efforts by taking out the whole reasons Grandparents and child rights wanted added to the Laws. The Adoption by stepparents or by a Grandparent, that is a FallBack Provision for Children in Need.

Well, A Bird In Your Hand Is Worth 2 in The Bush. Use The Phase Laws For Good Of The Michigan People. {Use A ProClause of Adoption By Stepparent Or By A Grandparent in First Degree, Either Grandparent to First Degree Shall Have Right To ContinuedVisits.} Use It Or Lose It. Congress Lost Grandparents Votes.Why Did they Take It Out,Cause They do Not care About Children In Need,Or Grandparents Rights We Need Legislature should ,Can do ProActions For Child Rights to Needed Social Positive Provision . ProClause of Above,Or Grandparents,is Positive. Put It Back In,First Is Always The Best.Should of Left it in ,Get Your BallsBack Provision In

The supreme court judged right. The legislative branch is on drugs. Minors don't have full rights. Parents exercise those rights on their behalf. Period. Other parties, be they loving grandparents, trusted teachers, friends or anyone else have no rights to see a child. Parents exercise that right completely, and without any interference. This continues until the courts legally decide that the parents are unfit to raise children and parental rights are removed legally and given to someone else. Whether or not someone outside the family agrees or not is too bad.

REFORM THE FORMS Under termination of parental rights forms,only ask question is-have you been given any money value to sign consent. 710.44 5(b,d)Separate Agreements must be ask/offered. Its the Law. Judges, appeal courts do Not follow the Law,use best interest of child. Parents Rights Org. are trying to get REFORM FORMS to include the Laws that are there to protectright enforced into FORMs Parents sign,misrepresentation is NOT ok. sign you will get visits,fraud happens 710.44 it is LAW. but it is NOT on forms. Adoption fraud comes in many Forms. Legal FORMS need to be corrected rewritten to protect both parents rights its the law,and proadoptive parent.

Parents RIGHTS will overrule grand parents thats a fact Courts Rule On. See point proven,laws for parents were already there, battles prevoked by a law courts made not by legislation of for people. Stepparent adoptions has nothing to do with this issue,or new family adoption.Period. Adoptive grandparents is whole issue by itself,now if parental rights were signed out,then why is parentRights wanting. With so many rules the word justice for all,by the people,for the people.then best for children Rule. All the different family groups now days the words no interference a intact new family units came up, which has nothing to do with Adoption grandparent and point is would be NO risk of harm issue. Other grandparents and grandchild continue bond. Different Adoptions have should have different corrective laws to protect each different adoption Open Adoption,Agency,CourtAppointed,Family,Related all of those have 5th degree problems,that parents seem to have a problem with.That is fine and well. Then a Grandchild is adopted by Grandparent 1stdeg the right to have other 1stdeg.grandparent must be in place to protect their right and the childs. Word defined as continued bond,best interest child fitness,key word continued bond.

After reading hb727 it does seem clear it was revised and written for parents rights that was already in sections of who decides visit rights. And I Vote Yes also on Factors of Grandparents who adopt Grandchildren, the first degree other Grand parents should still have regular visit rights.

Yea have to say,to grand parents are direct adoption it should be a law,710.56 adoption to add a sec.6 ,that both sets of grand parents first degree shall have a rights to continued grand parenting time. Michigan Congress should wake up to the needs of the children, adoption by grand parents,agreed to to add on to placement adoption laws. First degree grand parent adoption,grand child shall have right to grand parenting time with both sides. 710.56 add sec. 6, both sets of grands parent who have adopted grand child, either side can visit.

parents right groups witch about grandparents time,but they should do get off there a's is help PARENT appeal in courts to get PARENTAL rights back and return a Childs. judges so bs fools they follow advice from unethical nonexpert therapist. judges who sign terminate parents rights so easy, put children in worst do more harm,then before. I agree with reform the forms,issue of protecting a child starts with forced"FORMs parents sign. cause if the system is so great, WHY are there so many Appeal Cases of BirthParents try'en to REvoke to get parent Rights returned. Parents Rights Org. should start helping Parents to be Informed on the "Reform the Form" Amendment to get Judges follow Laws, ask/offer counselor,and judges must also ask,Have you been given any Separate Agreement to sign Consent,that affects the finality of your consent. Parents doNOT know thes laws, Judges doNot follow the Laws, then a child suffers, child doesNot get to see parents or grandparents. Because FORMS doNOT include written statements that are the LAW. Yes,Reform the forms. Grandparents who adopt there Grandchildren both sides of first degree grandparents should have legal law rights to visitation agreements.Yes.

One Morning Legislature wakes up after a night on town, decided Hey Lets Take away a Child's Rights and Force More Law Suits,Make Grandparents Prove it. I totally Vote for POLAR BEAR, a new add on Bill is there will be more legislators voted out this year. a good idea, To just add on to the ADOPTION Code law that polar bear food is right,use us then lose us. "ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD BY GRANDPARENT RELATED IN FIRST DEGREE,MATERNAL OR PATERNAL GRANDPARENTS SHALL HAVE RIGHTS TO REGULAR VISITATION TIME.

I feel a grandparent should be allowed to see agrand child I haven't seen one of my grandchild for almost 2 yrs. my son has been in prison almost two years now went to freind of the court in muskegon they tell me to get a lawyer I feel the friend of court should handle that they need to revise the grandparent rights

In agreement with 4 and 6 point no risk of harm different adoption need different"provide Laws" Michigan has No provision for relative adoptions or grandparent adoptions, just court or direct. If parent rights groups need to take care of helping parents to become better parents in Appeal courts to reform signed forms laws.Parents need to put votes where its needed,help there own rights. Not to destroy grandparents trying to help a child Theres enough kids in foster homes. Voters get in VOTE FOR A NEW LAW TO HELP CHILDREN IN NEED. Adoption by grandparents in first deg.are not new family in the childs eyes and should be a NEW LAW voted in by common sense senators,in section, under Adoption Codes of 710.56 to help other first degree grandparents to no risk of harm continued bond with grandchildren. I agree with Polar Bear Mich.Legislature get up off your A,do whats Right. All of us Grandparents need to write to congress to help save our children life,please vote Now. VOTE TO ADD- 710.56 ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD BY THE MATERNAL OR PATERNAL first degree GRANDPARENTS, SHALL NOT PROHIBIT VISITS BY EITHER SIDE of 1stDeg

Visitation is decided by parents,hopfully a child is not used as a revenge pawn,most grandparents who had a bond with grandchild,therein have proofn fitness of that lovin bond and to brake that bond is harmful to child,and adoption is another issue. Yes legislator should create a New law for all the Adoptions to include Adoption of grandchild by grandparents in 1stdeg.only,the grandparents shall have visits. yea,grandparents are grandparents. Well,Mich.Adoption codes are unconstitutional to all and unfair to child. Most states have/are inputing newbills/laws to cover differentadoptions Openadoption,with visits,protects parent+child. Directadoption,parents chose,mayMisrepresentfraud Stepadoption,should be different handled Law. RelativeAdoption,needs a different input Laws. Must protectright of child to have continuedVisit. Relative/or grandparentAdoption should NOT be the same code LAWS as in DIRECT/or step.adoption LAWS. Legislature please open up your reality checks. payments to the what whole idea of grandparents childbondvisit if supremecourtcongress is aloted to output all good exceptions/then just you must also give equal just inputPOSITIVEaddon CAN DO's. GrandparentADOPTION,must have NEWbill to included the RIGHTS of BOTHsides,in the adoption code laws. it will create POSITIVE best interest of CHILD. GRANDPARENTS ADOPTION OF GRANDCHILD,BEST INTEREST OF CHILD,SHALL ALLOW OTHER GRANDPARENTS VISITATION

AARP attorneys,all states have said,they hope't the supreme courts would stay away from influnce of 2000 cases troxl,but NO.now all granparents must fight even harder,eroded events effects,cause Michigan s acting Unconstitutionally discrimation. if child is adopted NOvisits,no matter whoAdopts. YES Mich.Adoption Codes Need NEW CODES written in grandparentAdoption are differ then DirectAdoption While many states,like southDakota laws ar honest. Adoption of child prohibits visits of grandchild, EXCEPT if CHILD is ADOPTED by grandParents. This gives NONdiscrimnation issues in CHILDSrights to fairly give needed VISITs to grandchild by the provenFit GRANDparents on both sides.Also gives th Childsupport needed moneyWise/and loving bond. Senior citizens think Mich.aarp didNOT even try. AARP go back to table,TRY AGAIN,ITS CHILDS RIGHT. adoption code laws,need RECODEING,REVISED,ADD ON. YES i vote to AMEND addOn,adoptionCode laws to the EXCEPT IF CHILD IS ADOPTED BY GRANDPARENTS,this doesNOT prohibit visitation by other grandparents.

NO one is trying to output ParentRights org. and there is NO mixed signals. Gradparents are trying to get Legislature to understand that most normal states have already included,gradparents rights to even under ADOPTION laws,cause you see,gradparents who ADOPT gradChild,cut off VISITs legally,and the state of Michigan is BEhide times unconstutitional WE as Voters gradparents,childrenRights trying to in AMENDED addON only REVISE adoption code that states-adoption of child,prohibits gradparent to visitation. gradparent are Not directAdoption. SHOULD READ-Adoption of child,prohibit gradparents visits,EXCEPT if child is ADOPTED by GradParents. Michigan has only provisions for DirectAdoptions and thats discrimination,and harmful to childNeeds

grandp. are a needed used,until they are not needed anylonger then forced out of grandchilds life. How twofaced can legislation be? committee members,should have guideLines to visitation that must have best interest of child factors first,if child is the focus of Newlaws,legislature parents right refusal overrides all other childs best interest factors. only 1way recode adoptn codes. aarp,childrightorg,let legislature go hogwild. well,only category to allow "grandp.rights'back to the drawinboard,is to create NewLaw under Adoption if a grandchild is adopted by relative or grandpar shall not takeAway rights to visits that the child had previous with relative or other grandpar sides under best interest of child. Relative who adopt a child is Not same as directAdoptions,should have a clearly simple category addon,grandparent adoption areNot new family Unit the granchild needs visits from both, legislature should vote on revisebill advance adoptioncodes,all they need is addon votes entered under rules of directadoption,addon code6 cause grandpar adoption of grandchild should have include right of grandchild other grandpar visits. It does seem Mich.needs to advance in adopt areas, it would be discrimination to all grandparents. Mich.adoption laws need to be relegislated.addon's grandp.who adopt grandchildren,previous visits by either side,mat.or Pat. should have continuedvisit Michigan needs to step up to normalplate REVOTE

Senate Sanborn was so worried about his Lawyer buds center,set a panic button off in legislation votes. Wonder why Sanborn dislikes Senior's,now he's try'in to input a Bill to output "Disability" Cards , all persons having a card have to get it revised and must prove all claims. Take away rights of children ,grandparents,disabled,now handicap. Mr.Sanborn stop trying to help lawyers,help the helpless,if your not going to act in best interest as a senator,why do you expect anyone to vote for you next term,when you lead pack for nonEqualJustice

Of course legislators been there done that thoughts will not even read these blogs to understand the true meaning of there mistakes under the grandparent laws. But then come election time the senators will NOT get anymore votes from the "EXCEPT GRANDPARENTS" who have been left out of the New so called mess up visit laws. That does Not care about children. Adoption of a grandchild prohibits visitation. SEEMS ODD THEY DIDNOT INPUT THE WORDS EXCEPT IF A GRANDCHILD IS ADOPTED BY A GRANDPARENTS THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT A GRANDPARENT FROM VISITS,like most normal states do. REVISE ADOPTION CODES INPUT "EXCEPT GRANDPARENTS" ALL GRANDPARENTS ARE UNITED TO GET THIS NEW LAW SET, OR WILL BE NEW SENATORS VOTED IN THAT CAN.

Parents shouldn't be bashed here if they are acting in the best interest of their children. Both sets of grandparents are important, I do agree. BUT... if one grandparent is mentally unstable and it is unsafe for the child to be in her care, why is it OK to allow her to petition for her rights. She has allowed one death in her home, why should my seven year old be put in this danger. These laws need to be taken off the books and only nmediation allowed. I am the ONLY person who can decide where my children are allowed to go.

the all knowing all powerful nanny state knows what's best for all of us. Just submit to their will and we'll all be better off.

Adoption code laws 710.56 are being used to place new laws into it.  To AMEND a ADD on would be right way to go. After all congress use adoption codes to sneek in hidden revises to please, a Add on should be put into Adption code laws , first degree grandparents adoption visitation without discrimination of maternal/paternal.    yea wheres the aarp when ya need them.

ParentRights should always be in place, So your right,if Parents/or courts place a GRANDCHILD up for adoption,parents rights are given up.  So legislature, needs to MODIFY adoption code, to input new law"  710.56 (6)First degree Grandparents who adopt grandchild,be it Maternal,or paternal, this shallNOT prohibit either 1stdegree grandparents to visitation . Must be 1st.degree grandparent only. cause if a child is adopted direct new family thats it,no visits, but your right,if a child is adopted by GRandparents thats totally different,and child should have a right to keep that grandparent bond with other GRparents side

There are stepparent adoption codes,there are singleparent adoption laws,there is even a samesex partner adoption codes going on. Seem clear that GRANDPARENTS should have equal rights inputed into a NEW adoption code law to input visitation if a grandchild is adopted by another 1st.degree grandparent. Yes most states have that "except if a grandchild is adopted by grparent doesNot prohibit visitation petition, causeBEST interest of child would be placed above. 

YES on 710.56- addOn (6) Except if a grandchild is adopted by maternal or paternal 1st.degree grandparent this doesNot prohibit the right of either grandparent or grandchild to petition for continued visitation bond. Sounds fair honest ,best interest of child, now if we can plead ,beg, write common sense into the head of legislatures minds,without inputing parents rights,cause when a child is going to be adopted by grandparent, the birthparents rights are already out of picture,thereby this 710.56 addon should be intro into form.

YES ON 710.56- Add-on a (6) EXCEPT IF A GRANDCHILD IS ADOPTED BY MATERNAL / PATERNAL 1st. DEGRE GRANDPARENTS  THIS DOES NOT PROHIBIT THE RIGHT OF EITHER FIRST DEGREE GRANDPARENTS OR GRANDCHILD TO PETITION FOR THE CONTINUED VISITATION BOND.