Michigan Votes Forum

do you know why they are fixing michigan roads???....so people can get out!!!!!!!....see ya!

The Driver Responsibilty ACT of 2003 IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL And there is No two ways about. As for its penalizes Michigan drivers TWICE THRICE and more, for the same crime. In direct violation of The Fifth admendment as to wit "Nor shall any person be subject foe same offense to be twice put in jeopardy, etc etc".This statement, written in the blood of the people who uphold the constitution of the United States, SHOULD speak for itself, But somehow in today PC world, run by the DEMOCRAPS,The constitution only applies in certain instances and they strive to overlook the Constitution to their advantage, just by saying 'THIS IS LAW AND YOU WILL ADIBED BY IT OR ELSE!'...Extortion by the Government? So they Hide this act in the tax laws as an assessment, which allows it to survive. It serves no propose but to ruin the lives of poverty stricken offenders, Such as I. My hopes of ever driving again are nil-zero. So I am forced to operate as an Illegal. This act has made me lose my job as an Automobile chauffeur for New car delivery. A job I will never get to hold ever again because of the Insurance restrictions. AS a disabled Vietnam Veteran on a VA pension of $910 a month and living expenses and bills of $1040 per month, Is causing a great deal of stress and has ignited the PTSD which was under control by constant counseling and medications. The ACT was extorted upon Michigan by the adulterous, ignorant President Clinton, by threats of cutting off Federal Highway funding for states who wouldn't comply with enacting simular legislations. With tougher liquor law violations be enacted currently, you might as well bring back PROHIBITION I am sure the taxpapers could be made to pay HIGHER taxes to offset the lose of revenue.. Let's not forget the jobs lost, and the efffect thereof. And that's all I gots to say about DAT!

Don't forget that it was Clinton the adulterous, who force states to enact such legislations, or lose their Federal Highway funding. EXTORTION?? LIES?

DON'T PAY IT..The only thing we can do as American citizens is fight for what we believe in, and the only way we can do that! is to do it together.. Dont pay these Unconstitutional fees..It will eventually effect the Michigan Government in big ways and they will have to change the way they do business..The young people of this country have to stand up for themselves, I don't see the youth of America standing up for themselves like they did in the past. The youth are the future and are the ones that can shape the future.. I'm willing to get people together on this Issue and many other issues that effect are future..I believe in protests on all issues, not just war.

As a Police Officer of 17 years in this state I have read all the postings on this issue. First to the person who feels that operating a motor vehicle is a right not a priveledge, I would imagne you are the type of parent ,after their child disregards a red light and causes an accident, wants to file a complaint against the officer and not discipline the child. I think alot of the fines are to high. But ANYONE who feels a driver that accumulates 7 points on their license in a short period of time just had a bout of bad luck, come and spend a day in my scout car, I can assure you luck has nothing to do with it! Dont blame bad or reckless driving habits on the officers that are writing the tickets. That is the typical attitude of society today, its always someone elses fault!

part of the problem. I have riden with cops. (My son-in-law) There is plenty to do without picking on younger drivers that don't know their rights. If you think that you should be punished twice for the same infraction then your mom called, something about spanking you one more time for that temper tantrum you threw back when you were 6. Disgusting! And you guys wonder why you get no respect. You have let yourselves become a revenue generator instead of a police officer.

to hide' mentality, along with supporting 'punish you twice' legislation is the reason that the police in this state not only don't have the RESPECT of the citizens of this state, but they don't have the TRUST of the citizens of this state. here, you DO have to worry about being stopped by the police if you are a law abiding citizen. you ARE stopped by the police for no reason other than they want to see if they can raise a little more state revenue from you. if an officer were suspended without pay for 45 days for every time he stopped a driver 'just to see if he's been drinking', or 'just to see whats in his trunk', then both of these injustices would probably stop. police officers are NOT supposed to generate revenue for the state. thats not what fines are for. fines are FIRST to punish, SECOND to PARTIALLY reimburse the political subdivision for expenses incurred in enforcement efforts, NOT the other way around, and CERTAINLY not to pay ALL the bills of the police. not having all police officers trained equally only shows the contempt the state has for law enforcement.

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that the state takes from you is a tax. It's a price you have to pay the keepers so that you can live your life. "Could it be that this is a tax in disguise?"

except that the sheeple don't have the kahunas to stand up anymore. Can you imagine this kind of thing happening in 1950?

I was hit by this crap too. Here is my Michigan tale. I am a 26 years old. Back in early 2004, I had an extremely unlucky week. My roomates informed me they were moving back with there parents. The next day I was laid off from my job (We all know about the economy). I was hit twice in the same week job searching for no insurance (because the job I did have was minimum wage, which means no insurance for me). I also git hit both times for defective eqipment (because one of my tail lights had a single crack in it). Then a short while later, got hit for a suspended liscense. So now I have no home (I grew up in foster care, no parents to move in with), no job (big surprise in mich), can't look for another job w/ no ability to drive, and a $2200 bill to get it back, on top of the tickets I already had to pay. I spent march-june 2004 living on the streets in Detroit. I was robbed twice, and beaten once. Both of my front teeth were knocked out (and another has since fallen out because of it), and its not like I had money for a dentist at this point. So I did what all of you should do. I got the hell out of this 3rd world country of a state (as many other people my age are doing, in FLOCKS). I went to Colorado, which has no formal agreement with the state of michigan, and got a liscnse. They also have a real economy here, and I got a job driving a delivery van for $12 an hour. Problem is, my mother is in a nursing home in Michigan so I would still move back there if I could. But as you can see, this stupid law literatley DESTROYED MY LIFE!! F**K Michigan!! I realize some people are unable to leave, but for those of you who can, I think it's one of the best ways to send a message to these b*star*s! If anyone has any further info on this law, or would like any advice on getting out, or has any idea's on how to fight this bs, email me olno7@excite.com.

this scares me , our country has started to run more and more on fear and Safty, if that alone dosnt make you feel a bit paranoid already .... wont be long before we have curfews for safty and walls around the citys because its safter ahh immigne a world where....

DO you really think that our government is truly concerned about it's citizens when they pass laws that hinder law abiding responsible people from going to work to help pay taxes to keep this country running? I was charged with a dui when I could not blow into a breathalyzer due to Post Traumatic Stress disorder. I requested a blood test...which would of proven I was not drunk and because of the officers word, which he lied in court, it has adversely effected my life. Do you think I am the only one to suffer this type of indignity..think again. There are countless numbers of people like me who are herded into a police station, have their license suspended or revoked, have huge fines imposed on them and then are expected to continue to work, and pay these fines...tell me, how are you suppose to travel to work if you dont have a license and you dont live near public transportation. This country is getting more insane as time goes on. It is widely recognized that the MADD organization is a thinly veiled cover for a neo prohibitionist organization. It is not about getting the alcoholic off the road, it is about people not drinking at all, period. Once again American sleeps while the enemy plots and schemes and takes away our freedoms.

and you are correct. It is not a privelege and you are correct in stating that we have the RIGHT to pursue happiness and a vehicle is the means to be gainfully employed and be a viable citizen in our society. Our society is getting sick..or is sick as it deprives the means for people to go to work or to drive a car that they paid for with their hard earned money so that they can go to work and pay their bills and maintain their domain. One minute the government is screaming that they want to cut back on social programs and then in the next instance they are creating situations that force people to have a NEED FOR THESE PROGRAMS. Again...wake up America...the governement is taking away your rights and is ignoring what our constitution stands for. The only thing that is a privelege is the one that allows politicians to represent us. If they do not represent us properly then we should remove THEM.

What the police have become is ticket writers. Gone are the days when police used to be respected and looked upon kindly. At one time they were truly officers of the law and respected law abiding citizens...now they drive around with a pad to write tickets and must fill their quota. This is a fact and not fabrication. Accountability you say? How about imposing fines and restrictions on someone who has never been a drunkard or done anything immoral to get convicted on the judgement call of a kid who has not seen as much life as your own son? It is a scary society when the word of a police officer who lies on the stand to get a conviction holds more weight than someone who has supported our laws and our system for years. This is the reality as Ayn Rand said: "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

It is scary when we have seat belts in our car and it is not an option whether or not we can use them. Soon it will be, we have locks on our doors and unless we lock them, we will get a fine. Then they should have a law that says, you must look into your rear view mirror at least every 15 minutes...or you will get a ticket. (Rear view mirrors and locks are important safety features.) It is all about law and revenue, not about people, trust me. When you leave your house, you are risking a ticket writer pulling you over for something that he is trained to do and you are not trained to defend. From a tail light to five feet shy of twenty feet restriction parking near a cross walk..(these guys carry tape measures in their back pockets. Don't expect justice or mercy. It is not in the manual.

ALSO IMPOSED THE .08 REGULATION ON RESPONSIBLE DRINKERS. Since he was not creating enough revenue through arresting truly irresponsible drinkers he thought it would be more fun to go along with including law abiding citizens. Neat. "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

But you should of chosen a different profession. The fines imposed on our society is yet just another indication of how twisted things have become. It is more about punishment and revenue than it is about Justice and correction and instruction. "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

AS YOU GIVE. AND I CAN TELL BY YOUR COMMENTS THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY YOUR EXISTENCE, TICKET WRITER. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION. "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

Our government has overstepped it's designed purpose. When there are people such as yourself and me and thousands of others who are saying the same thing and feeling the same way...and our government is not representing nor protecting it's citizens from harm, then it is time for such people to be relieved of their duty. For the people by the people....or so it says....these laws are not for the people... I am so sorry your life was so adversely effected by the powers that be. Where are the organizations put in place to rectify this horrendous situation? "Did you really think we want those laws observed?" said Dr. Ferris. "We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

one of the networks showed a parish that went bankrupt because ther wasn't enough people to arrest or fine for what ever reason. hence, NO REVENUE !! which enforces the fact that it is not FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS that these laws are on the books. a person with any small amount of brains would be able to figure that out. the state of the state of michiganistan is due to the irresponsablity of our elected officials. rather than premote a good busniess enviroment, these NO-IT-ALLS in lansing keep adding more and more restrictive measures for busniess to surrive. it doesn't take a collage idiot to realize why busniesses are leaving michiganistan. now with our wonderful governor again entrenched for another four years. it wil be more song and dance. more people and busniesses will be moving, if only over the border. be it indiana, ohio, illinois, even wiscosin. it is still more busniess savy to get the tax credits outside the state than hang around here. you CAN NOT TAX A BUSNIESS OR A STATE INTO PROSPARITY !!!!!

the parishes down there (except parts of orleans parish, which is STILL WAITING FOR FEDERAL AID) are recovering nicely without federal aid. the big money maker is tourism. they held TWO mardi gras' since the storm. along with a couple of college seasons, and a WINNING SAINTS SEASON since the storm. all without federal aid. businesses are open, people who OWN their homes are rebuilding, and the ones they show on the news are SECTION 8. tell me that there isn't a liberal bias to the news media.

driving is NOT a right, but persuing happiness IS. we ALLOWED the state to build our highways FOR US by TAXING US. we have given them the unenviable job of finding the money FROM US to keep those roads up. we have given them NO OTHER CHOICE but to increase our taxes to keep up OUR ROADS. when our taxes became no longer sufficient to do the job, they decided to TAX US FURTHER by ticketing us, and fining us. notice that they DO NOT JAIL US, like they do when we break OTHER laws, instead, they just FINE US. they JAIL us when we refuse to pay the fine. most people wouldn't want the repsonsibility to pay for upkeep on a road that they don't drive on, or is not close enough to them TO drive on. i say, let's go to TOLL roads, and let the people who USE the roads pay for them. speeding tickets would be simple, the people who take LESS THAN THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF TIME TO GET FROM TOLL BOOTH TO TOOL BOOTH pay a ticket. if you don't want to use the toll road, take the path you buy through the woods.

a harsher restriction on blood alcohol level and then used the power of FEDERAL MONEY to force local authorities to do the same. it's a common tactic. the government want's a thing done (seat belts, smoking bans, helmet laws, lower alcohol levels, etc.) and threatens to remove federal funding for a particular project if the 'thing' isn't done in a timely manner. our politicians, as accustomed as they are to nursing at the public teat, quickly and spinelessly act to keep the cash flowing. our "having things" culture has erased our want and need for FREEDOM. do we REALLY NEED to have the federal government involved in our schools, or can we manage to build a building and hire a compitant staff of teachers to teach our children ourselves? do we REALLY NEED to have the federal government involved in our health care issues, or can we manage to only go to the doctor of our choice when we are REALLY SICK? we've SEEN what bill came up with, now i'm worried what HILLARY will come up with when the democrats elect her president.

The Constitution of the United States of America We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. There it is people. Guaranteed right there in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution. Life,Liberty,and the Pursuit of happiness. nothing like it in the whole world! This is a legislative problem. We are letting under qualified people make decisions for us. They are swaying the laws in their favor. Nobody pays attention to legislators and who they are. Are they lawyers. insurance agents, doctors. How are THEY really going to be affected by a change in the law? We live in a me me me society. I am sorry if kids grades are sub-par. I am sorry if you cannot keep them under control. I am sorry if your grandma had her Cadillac dented by a teenager. STOP MAKING US PAY FOR YOUR INADEQECIES AS A PARENT!! And get that old lady out of that big ass gas gussler! Tell your legislators to get of their ass and do something for us! They are elected to those positions. And can be removed. Politics is a way to help citizens. It was never meant to have a paycheck. Leave our rights alone! They are the only thing we have anymore, and they are slipping further away.

Right to Travel DESPITE ACTIONS OF POLICE AND LOCAL COURTS, HIGHER COURTS HAVE RULED THAT AMERICAN CITIZENS HAVE A RIGHT TO TRAVEL WITHOUT STATE PERMITS By Jack McLamb (from Aid & Abet Newsletter) For years professionals within the criminal justice system have acted on the belief that traveling by motor vehicle was a privilege that was given to a citizen only after approval by their state government in the form of a permit or license to drive. In other words, the individual must be granted the privilege before his use of the state highways was considered legal. Legislators, police officers, and court officials are becoming aware that there are court decisions that disprove the belief that driving is a privilege and therefore requires government approval in the form of a license. Presented here are some of these cases: CASE #1: "The use of the highway for the purpose of travel and transportation is not a mere privilege, but a common fundamental right of which the public and individuals cannot rightfully be deprived." Chicago Motor Coach v. Chicago, 169 NE 221. CASE #2: "The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." Thompson v. Smith, 154 SE 579. It could not be stated more directly or conclusively that citizens of the states have a common law right to travel, without approval or restriction (license), and that this right is protected under the U.S Constitution. CASE #3: "The right to travel is a part of the liberty of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment." Kent v. Dulles, 357 US 116, 125. CASE #4: "The right to travel is a well-established common right that does not owe its existence to the federal government. It is recognized by the courts as a natural right." Schactman v. Dulles 96 App DC 287, 225 F2d 938, at 941. As hard as it is for those of us in law enforcement to believe, there is no room for speculation in these court decisions. American citizens do indeed have the inalienable right to use the roadways unrestricted in any manner as long as they are not damaging or violating property or rights of others. Government -- in requiring the people to obtain drivers licenses, and accepting vehicle inspections and DUI/DWI roadblocks without question -- is restricting, and therefore violating, the people's common law right to travel. Is this a new legal interpretation on this subject? Apparently not. This means that the beliefs and opinions our state legislators, the courts, and those in law enforcement have acted upon for years have been in error. Researchers armed with actual facts state that case law is overwhelming in determining that to restrict the movement of the individual in the free exercise of his right to travel is a serious breach of those freedoms secured by the U.S. Constitution and most state constitutions. That means it is unlawful. The revelation that the American citizen has always had the inalienable right to travel raises profound questions for those who are involved in making and enforcing state laws. The first of such questions may very well be this: If the states have been enforcing laws that are unconstitutional on their face, it would seem that there must be some way that a state can legally put restrictions -- such as licensing requirements, mandatory insurance, vehicle registration, vehicle inspections to name just a few -- on a citizen's constitutionally protected rights. Is that so? For the answer, let us look, once again, to the U.S. courts for a determination of this very issue. In Hertado v. California, 110 US 516, the U.S Supreme Court states very plainly: "The state cannot diminish rights of the people." And in Bennett v. Boggs, 1 Baldw 60, "Statutes that violate the plain and obvious principles of common right and common reason are null and void." Would we not say that these judicial decisions are straight to the point -- that there is no lawful method for government to put restrictions or limitations on rights belonging to the people? Other cases are even more straight forward: "The assertion of federal rights, when plainly and reasonably made, is not to be defeated under the name of local practice." Davis v. Wechsler, 263 US 22, at 24 "Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436, 491. "The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, at 489. There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon one because of this exercise of constitutional rights." Sherer v. Cullen, 481 F 946 We could go on, quoting court decision after court decision; however, the Constitution itself answers our question - Can a government legally put restrictions on the rights of the American people at anytime, for any reason? The answer is found in Article Six of the U.S. Constitution: "This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof;...shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or laws of any State to the Contrary not one word withstanding." In the same Article, it says just who within our government that is bound by this Supreme Law: "The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution..." Here's an interesting question. Is ignorance of these laws an excuse for such acts by officials? If we are to follow the letter of the law, (as we are sworn to do), this places officials who involve themselves in such unlawful acts in an unfavorable legal situation. For it is a felony and federal crime to violate or deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights. Our system of law dictates that there are only two ways to legally remove a right belonging to the people. These are: 1. by lawfully amending the constitution, or 2. by a person knowingly waiving a particular right. Some of the confusion on our present system has arisen because many millions of people have waived their right to travel unrestricted and volunteered into the jurisdiction of the state. Those who have knowingly given up these rights are now legally regulated by state law and must acquire the proper permits and registrations. There are basically two groups of people in this category: 1. Citizens who involve themselves in commerce upon the highways of the state. Here is what the courts have said about this: "...For while a citizen has the right to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, that right does not extend to the use of the highways...as a place for private gain. For the latter purpose, no person has a vested right to use the highways of this state, but it is a privilege...which the (state) may grant or withhold at its discretion..." State v. Johnson, 245 P 1073. There are many court cases that confirm and point out the difference between the right of the citizen to travel and a government privilege and there are numerous other court decisions that spell out the jurisdiction issue in these two distinctly different activities. However, because of space restrictions, we will leave it to officers to research it further for themselves. 2. The second group of citizens that is legally under the jurisdiction of the state are those citizens who have voluntarily and knowingly waived their right to travel unregulated and unrestricted by requesting placement under such jurisdiction through the acquisition of a state driver's license, vehicle registration, mandatory insurance, etc. (In other words, by contract.) We should remember what makes this legal and not a violation of the common law right to travel is that they knowingly volunteer by contract to waive their rights. If they were forced, coerced or unknowingly placed under the state's powers, the courts have said it is a clear violation of their rights. This in itself raises a very interesting question. What percentage of the people in each state have applied for and received licenses, registrations and obtained insurance after erroneously being advised by their government that it was mandatory? Many of our courts, attorneys and police officials are just becoming informed about this important issue and the difference between privileges and rights. We can assume that the majority of those Americans carrying state licenses and vehicle registrations have no knowledge of the rights they waived in obeying laws such as these that the U.S. Constitution clearly states are unlawful, i.e. laws of no effect - laws that are not laws at all. An area of serious consideration for every police officer is to understand that the most important law in our land which he has taken an oath to protect, defend, and enforce, is not state laws and city or county ordinances, but the law that supersedes all other laws -- the U.S. Constitution. If laws in a particular state or local community conflict with the supreme law of our nation, there is no question that the officer's duty is to uphold the U.S. Constitution. Every police officer should keep the following U.S. court ruling -- discussed earlier -- in mind before issuing citations concerning licensing, registration, and insurance: "The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. US, 230 F 486, 489. And as we have seen, traveling freely, going about one's daily activities, is the exercise of a most basic right.

to leave our rights alone, quit voting for LEFTISTS. LIBERALS want to take your rights away. LIBERALS want to raise your taxes. LIBERALS want to set criminals free so that they don't have to cut other "more important" programs. now, we have to be RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH to make not only the TOUGH DECISIONS, but the RIGHT DECISIONS. you can't trust a LEFTIST to make the RIGHT DECISION.

think that the state of michigan gives a flying rat's ass about the supreme court? the state has trampled on peoples rights for over 170 years, why should they think about stopping now?

you have to be out of your freaken mind to charge such outrages fines to people so they can put food on the table. grrr

Have you gotten anywhere fighting this law? It is truly ridiculous!My son's "Responsibility" fine has tripled since he can not, and doesn't want to pay it.Please let me know if there's anything to be done. mgsm1201@aol.com

Drivers lose the right to drive when they accumulate so many points. Any good driver takes this punishment seriously and tries to get his points reduced....by driving more responsibly. He pays his ticket and possibly drives on a restricted license. He HAS been fined and punished. Extreme and rediculous extra fees only makes the driver feel unjustly punished and mad. So..............the driver can"t and/or won't pay the extra fees and drives illegally so he can get to work and have money to live. What is wrong....the driver or the responsibility fee.

Continuing to post on this bill will get you nowhere. It's been passed. All you can do now is focus your attention to bill 4006 by Bruce Caswell and protest to Rep. Tom Pearce to get this bill passed to repeal this goddamn asinine law. Divert your browser to link michiganvotes.org/2007-HB-4006 and focus all your fury and outrage at Tom Pearce to get moving on repealing the "bad driver" TAX. Rep. Tom Pearce, Kent county, ROCKFORD, House Transportation committee Phone: Phone: 1-888-414-3684 - (517) 373-0218

I was born and raised in Michigan, went to MSU, then moved to Chicago for a better life where I practice law and make a decent living. My brother, who just graduated from CMU, is following the same route. He was hit with this ridiculous Driver's Responsibility law and has paid in excess of $1900 to the State of Michigan, partly because he tried to appeal the fine. Great job Michigan Legislature and Granholm! Your economy is in the toilet, unemployment is skyrocketing, so go ahead and make up the revenue loss by raping your very own citizens through outlandish fines when they need help the most. Pathetic!

Like alot of the rest of you, I am stuck too because of this crap, in addition to the New Michigan Tough Alcohol Laws combing to cause me to lose my license for having a few beers and then moving my car 10 foot into the front yard to let people out of the driveway even though the house was a hundred yards down a posted no trespassing dirt drive way out in bfe country 15 minutes from a single paved road. The cops came a half hour later for a disturbance and arrested me for DUI after I told them I had just moved my car when the disturbance occured. My license was only revoked for a year but I will never get it back. It took me over 3 years to get the alcohol classes and counseling and all that bull$hit done and I just got the hearing letter today and they offered me a restricted license but it was contingent on me paying $1000 michigan drivers responsiblity fee, reinstatement fee, have a breathalyzer ignition module installed for a few hundred bucks, and then almost $100 a week charge on top of it all just for the breathalyzer ignition module! And if I missed that weekly payment or even looked at anyone the wrong way it would be a complete revocation of my license again. This caused me to lose everything I have spent the past 16 years working for... literally. I have a child with medical issues. Need a way to get myself to work and he to daycare, but you gotta pay first and drive later in Michigan and I dont know how I will ever get my head back above water here. This has already screwed half of my life and possibly ensured that my child be a vulnerable and exploitable next generation as well. Hell, my grandma raised me and retained a lawyer for me to try to get my license back while on her death bed and that was all she could do. The only good thing is that she didn't see how it turned out. It didn't work so what now? Parents have to get to work and kids need to get to school and medical appts and activities... I mean really there just seems like no way up. They shouldnt be able to take your ability to provide for yourself and your child. This is not the age where you could "live off the fat of the land" by planting a garden and raising chickens and having a cow or goat for milk. Its a commuter era, and this state has the highest commuter travel average in the USA.

"57) Additional Fines Agree [by Anonymous Citizen on May 23, 2003] Oh please! Yes I am a teacher-if anyone is listening please make it $1000 for any driving age high school student who has disciplinary suspensions on their records. The only way these students of today listen is if you take it out of their pocket books! Some students use profanity at me on a daily basis! and I am told to keep it in context "because we a an institution of caring" "We are an empathitic organization and the students just have a some simple growing up to do" is what my administrator told me! Fine them unruly students for poor academic progress also. Thank you for your time Have a great memorial day break" I cannot believe this person hasn't been hastily removed from whatever place she teaches at by an angry lynch mob of parents with stones.

You actually admitted to cops that you moved your car while drunk? You get what you deserve dummy! NEVER volunteer info! I bet you thought you were being a good little sheeple, huh?

Was on private property. Wasnt going anywhere. I thought I was protected, but they changed the laws so they can get people on private property. Who knew??? They also changed the law so they dont have to see you do it anymore. I never knew any of that. Not like I was out driving = i was in the front yard way down a private drive in the woods...

Did you know you can get a drinking and driving for just driving your quad or snowmobile in your yard too? Even a moped or dirtbike? What the hell has this world come to? The government doesnt belong on private property. Its your home. I though you were guaranteed certain things under the constitution pertaining to it and while on it. Heck even way out in the country where there isnt another house for miles. They can even tell you to wear seatbelts for your own safety, and whatever else they want, all to generate revenue cuz they know people are going to break those rules. Its what our freedom here is all about... and now the government decides to regulate freedoms to bring in a paycheck from it.

If you mental midgets can't see what you are doing to this state, get out and talk to the real people that have to deal with all the goat droppings that you keep squeezing out of your little taxpayer supplied offices. To steal a line from D. Trump... YOU'RE FIRED!

The DRAct is A TAX assetment not a fine, If it were a fine then it would be against the 5th admendment, I lost my job driving new cars, and with a long histroy of priors, even though at one time they were wiped clean, but now I guess they can bring them back to further deny me my right to life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,,,????BS... I now live off the taxpayers with SSI and foodstamps,,,filed bankrupcy on 4 credit cards and now I am losing my house though forclosure. No longer can hunt fish or even operate a boat because of this insane law. Bye granny hole next time around you can't possibly keep winning Are they that many stupid people in Michigan?