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1) Re: 2010 Senate Bill 1402 (Encourage elementary schools to adopt "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program )  by THeFree on August 13, 2010 

 Not sure where some of the quotes are from, I'm new to this forum, but:

 

Comments: I don't think you should list NRA's Eddie Eagle program.
I can agree with the statement, but I have a problem with taking it out. The Eddie Eagle program creates a standard, and it's not congress's job to dictate standards.  If the bill ever gets passed th house, or has problems with this language, I suggest changing the wording to include something like "or other program with comparible objectives" or something like that.

 

As for the 3 R's comments:
As I heard someone else once say... no wonder our kids are graduating from school with such poor education. We teach them about the 3 R's, and 2 of them are NOT R's. We have become a society of "it sounds good", but it's NOT TRUE, and we support the "it sounds like", and ignore the facts. Writing and Arithmatic do not start with R, and we should not be telling kids they do. IMO: This is the heart of the problem we have today. deception. It maybe true that they are the basics of education, they are NOT 3 R's.

You might argue this is a dumb waste of time debating this, but it's the core of the problem today. Today we belief what we want to, not facts.

2) Re: 2010 Senate Bill 1402 (Encourage elementary schools to adopt "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program )  by gypsy on July 19, 2010 

Perhaps you could share some of that readily available documentation that explains away the fact we have children graduating from high school unable to read at elementary school levels, but can break down a 9mm semi with a pocketknife.

 

Please elaborate further on why your objection based on an ideology that considers the legislature incompetent to pick particular courses, but agrees that this particular course, if picked by the educators, is suitable, should matter. The end result is the same. Kids who can shoot guns without shooting themselves, and pay NRA dues.

 

3) Re: 2010 Senate Bill 1402 (Encourage elementary schools to adopt "Eddie Eagle" gun safety program )  by FreeSpeaker on July 19, 2010 

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[quote user="FreeSpeaker"]You are absolutely wrong that instruction in the Three R's is not stressed in public schools today.[/quote]

Being absolutely wrong is a serious matter. I'm sure to make such a statement you have data to support it. Perhaps you could spend some real time sharing it with us.

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I take my cue from public school curricula, which are readily available for examination.  Perhaps you should spend a bit of time studying such documentation before popping off with absolutely wrong comments about the state of Three-R education in our schools today, without real data to support your contentions.

I also stand by my earlier comments regarding this specific legislation.  Given the prevalent presence of guns in our society these days, competent gun safety education -- instruction that goes beyond fear-mongering -- fits very logically in with health and safety curricula. 

If educators choose the Eddie Eagle program to incorporate into their healthy-safety curriculum, that is OK with me.  The flaw in this legislation is designation of the NRA's Eddie Eagle as the curriculum by the legislature.  I oppose all efforts by the legislature to specify particular texts or course outlines, etc., for inclusion in public school curricula, for that is beyond the scope of the legislature's competence, and serves only to politicize the public education system.

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