2005 House Bill 4522 (Exempt veterans from CPL training )

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Introduced by Rep. Joel Sheltrown (D) on March 17, 2005, to exempt honorably discharged veterans from the state’s Concealed Pistol Permit (CPL) safety training requirement.
- Referred to the House Conservation, Forestry, and Outdoor Recreation Committee on March 17, 2005.
  - Reported in the House on June 23, 2005, without amendment and with the recommendation that the bill pass.
- Amendment offered by Rep. Joel Sheltrown (D) on December 8, 2005, to also exempt current and former peace officers from the state’s Concealed Pistol Permit (CPL) safety training requirement. The amendment passed in the House by voice vote on December 8, 2005.
- Amendment offered by Rep. John Stakoe (R) on December 8, 2005, to limit the exemption to armed forces veterans who completed pistol training in the military. The amendment passed in the House by voice vote on December 8, 2005.
- Amendment offered by Rep. Scott Hummel (R) on December 13, 2005, to require that to be exempt military veterans must take a three hour course on Michigan law in this area and related subjects, and put in at least one hour of range time in the preceding six months. The amendment passed in the House by voice vote on December 13, 2005.
Passed in the House (105 to 0) on December 13, 2005, to exempt current and former peace officers, and honorably discharged veterans who have had pistol training from the state’s Concealed Pistol Permit (CPL) safety training requirement. [Vote Details and Comments]
Received in the Senate on January 11, 2006.
- Referred to the Senate Judiciary Committee on January 11, 2006.

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1) Law does nothing.... [by kliemann on December 11, 2005]
Please excuse my error; should have been HB 4522 (not 4520)
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2) Law does nothing to further gun rights [by kliemann on December 10, 2005]
HB4520 attempts to build into the law special classes of applicants for CPL’s that the current law was designed to eliminate, thereby defeating the purpose of the current law.

Further, the reputation of all gun owners will be damaged when an "untrained" officer commits a violation. If this happens, will all the facts be properly reported in the media?

As to waiving the requirements for ex-military personnel: a better 'gift' would be free hunting, fishing, and drivers licenses for five years.

There is no way these veterans can assure having knowledge of the laws of Michigan upon returning to civilian status without actually taking the course.

Just as bad, a veteran moving here from another state will also be lacking knowledge of Michigan law, but still eligible for a "free pass" CPL. How ironic if the "gift" of a CPL (without training) to a veteran results in her being fined, arrested, or worse.

In short, this law does nothing to further gun rights in Michigan, confuses existing law, and is a direct offense-a slap in the face-to all gun owners and CPL holders

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3) Angry? [by Anonymous Citizen on December 10, 2005]
While we appreciate the job you do, we are not ready to create a special class of citizenship for you, either. You are no more entitled to your Second Amendment rights than anyone else is and there should be no special dispensation or privileges for you.

We should all be treated equally.
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